Debate between Sheikh Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti and a Salafi

Hizbu-Tahrir distributing leaflets in Msia!? How can this be?
Sounds like Hadhari enforcement team failure …

It is true from our perspective that there is little doubt about its authenticity. In this case, it merely serves to satisfy our cognitive dissonance. But I think the article was targeted at salafis, in which case they would want to verify its accuracy. They have little regard for al-Buti and Sheikh Nuh.

last night, Channel4 Dispatches (http://www.channel4.com/news/dispatches) aired ‘Undercover Mosque’, mainly on Saudi’s role in exporting their Wahabi/Salafi ideology to many mosques in the UK (via funds + Saudi trained clerics).

browse thru its Forum… hot debate from many sides.

I’ve looked at that. Those who believe in words of scholars more than words of God will side with al-Buti and Keller. Those who believe in words of God more than words of men will side with the Salafis.

The Discussion ended with a Vile word from al-Bootee
“Finally Shaykh Naasir asked al-Buti for another sitting but he refused and so Shaykh Naasir asked permission to leave. He stood and moved towards the door. Al-Buti realising that he had been defeated [in a number of his stances] then called out, “By Allaah! Shaykh Naasir you state what is not in your heart.”
Shaykh Naasir rejected this vile accusation, as did those who were present and then the discussion was over”.

Itis terribly important that we avoid many debates that in the long run will cause agony and pain. It is better to respect each other rather than tearing into each other. Even if we don’t agree on critical issues, itis better if we humble each other and move forward otherwsie no one will benefit. “Be not like those who were divided amonst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving clear sings. For them is a dreadful penalty.” {Qu’ran 3: 105}

Arguments are there to make things better but they shouldn’t be taken out of context and we shouldn’t be governed by emotions. Whatever we do, however we do, wherever we do, our compass must be islam’s compass and our goal must be God the Almighty. I come from Africa, particularly Kenya where Muslims are the minority, when we see fellow Muslims in other parts of the world engaging in an endless debates about issues that cause further devide, we shake our head in utter beweilderment.

Non Muslims are happy about that because they know religion for us Muslims is sensitive and our utmost goal so they stoke the embers of hate in our midst and we kill, undermine, fight, insult each other and the enemy will be watching from his fortress with glee. “And obey Allah and His Messenger, and don’t dispute with one another lest you falter and your strength will depart from you.” {Qu’ran 8: 46}

There comes a time when doing something is better than telling. For the people to see you how noble you are is better for you to be vociferous who engages in an endless debate and accusations and counter-accusations. It is our hope that out scholars will realise the importance of the critical moment we are in as Muslims and we will work towards bridging the gap rather than widening the chasm. “United we stand, devided we fall.”

We need to respect each other and listen to each other. The problem with some Muslims is they become too judgemental, and there is crying need to avoid that. In Kenya, we entirely follow Madhhab al-Imam Shaf’i. In fact, all neighbouring countries like Somalia, Djibouti, Somaliland, Ethiopia, Eretrea, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, and down to South-Africa, we follow Madhhab al-Imam Shaf’i. If The Muslims in Albania follow Madhhab al-Imam Abu Hanifa, or the Muslims in Senegal follow Madhhab al-Imam Malik, or the Muslims in Arabian peninsular follow madhhab al-Imam Ibnu Hanbal, we need to listen to each other and respect each other. It is our hope that our “Salafi” brothers will appreciate the magnitude of the challenge and divert our attention to critical issues without undermining Islam in the least. We must practice Isla, insist on Islam, demand the rule of Islam, promote Islam and at the same time respect others to be what they choose to be. Respecting each other and being good neighbours to each other is better than saying we need to follo only this Madhhab or lets forget Madhhab and follow only this and that. It will only aggravate the situation. For some Muslims also, they need to understand some of our actions border on polytheism due to static and stationary Islam. We need to seperate Islam from personalities and tradition. Islam itself should be our tradition.

May God belss you all
Wassalam

My fellow brothers, i have read this debate before as well and i feel that its pretty authentic, not only because of its narrators but also because also of its content. Most fake salafis hold the same beliefs and arguments as the ghair-muqalid shiekh did, today. and i am confident enough to say that al-buti won hands down . Of course salafis won’t admit, but i would just tell them, I rather do taqleed of the 4 imams rather than taqleed of the modern day scholars like Al-bani.

My dear brother, in no way am i disrespecting the scholars of our time, i’m sure their intentions were rightous. As for muqalids like me, in no way are they “fallowing blindly”, this is a phrase which has lost its meaning. We do not fallow blindly, we have our evidences and proofs for fallowing traditional islam. You have to understand that the 4 fihqs have in them selves tried perfect to thier reasonings ,all which make ample sense. We fallow the salaf, rather than changing our names from wahhabis to salafis. Just look at all the major personalities in islam; imam ghazali, Nawawi, Muslim, Bukhari, Bayhaqi and etc. They were all muqallids. My brother, i my self was influenced by the undercover salafis for a good few years, but to me traditional islam made much more impact on my heart.

Salaam.

Salaamun 3la man ittaba3al huda

as regards to the debate between sheikh Sa’id Ramadhan Al-Buti with imam Al-Albani which had been published in numerous salafi websites under title “Imam Al-Albani’s Subjugation Of Al-Buti”— I invite all of you whom would be interested in seeking the truth to read from this site:

http://marifah.net/sunni-publications/articles/sunni-publications/the-debate-with-al-albani.html

rather than make yourself as a “judger” and continues condemned the Alim ulama’ simply based on what published by “unknown hands” while you have no knowledge about it—

as to quote:

“In this preview from al-L? Madhhabiyya we intend to focus specifically on the debate with Shaykh Muhammad N?sirudd?n al-Alb?n? which ‘Salafi publications’ referred to as ‘Imam al-Albani’s Subjugation of al-Buti.’ This was further described in their article as “A summarised transcript of a meeting that took place between Imaam al-Albani and al-Buti and in which al-Buti was left with nowhere to turn. Includes a discussion of taqlid, madhhabs etc.” Unfortunately, nine years on, a response in English remained lacking, and many may have been misled into believing a false outcome of the debate which had occurred. What had been presented by ‘Salafi Publications’ was, of course, not the complete story…”

WALLAHU A3LA WA A7KAM